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Where does Namibia as a country stand? (China) |
EPANGELO
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| Tuesday, 29. December 2009 at 12:44 |
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This is an extract from online I just share it with you fellow Namibians, it's long but try your best to read and complete it:
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On June 5, 1873, in a letter to The Times, Sir Francis Galton, the cousin of Charles Darwin and a distinguished African explorer in his own right, outlined a daring new method to 'tame' and colonise what was then known as the Dark Continent.
'My proposal is to make the encouragement of Chinese settlements of Africa a part of our national policy, in the belief that the Chinese immigrants would not only maintain their position, but that they would multiply and their descendants supplant the inferior Negro race,' wrote Galton.
'I should expect that the African seaboard, now sparsely occupied by lazy, palavering savages, might in a few years be tenanted by industrious, order-loving Chinese, living either as a semidetached dependency of China, or else in perfect freedom under their own law.'
Despite an outcry in Parliament and heated debate in the august salons of the Royal Geographic Society,
Galton insisted that 'the history of the world tells the tale of the continual displacement of populations, each by a worthier successor, and humanity gains thereby'.
A controversial figure, Galton was also the pioneer of eugenics, the theory that was used by Hitler to try to fulfil his mad dreams of a German Master Race.
Eventually, Galton's grand resettlement plans fizzled out because there were much more exciting things going on in Africa.
But that was more than 100 years ago, and with legendary explorers such as Livingstone, Speke and Burton still battling to find the source of the Nile - and new discoveries of exotic species of birds and animals featuring regularly on newspaper front pages - vast swathes of the continent had not even been 'discovered'.
Yet Sir Francis Galton, it now appears, was ahead of his time. His vision is coming true - if not in the way he imagined.
An astonishing invasion of Africa is now under way.
In the greatest movement of people the world has ever seen, China is secretly working to turn the entire continent into a new colony.
Reminiscent of the West's imperial push in the 18th and 19th centuries - but on a much more dramatic, determined scale - China's rulers believe Africa can become a 'satellite' state, solving its own problems of over-population and shortage of natural resources at a stroke.
With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. More are on the way.
The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300 million people to Africa to solve China's problems of over-population and pollution.
New horizons? Mugabe has said: 'We must turn from the West and face the East'
The plans appear on track. Across Africa, the red flag of China is flying. Lucrative deals are being struck to buy its commodities - oil, platinum, gold and minerals. New embassies and air routes are opening up. The continent's new Chinese elite can be seen everywhere, shopping at their own expensive boutiques, driving Mercedes and BMW limousines, sending their children to exclusive private schools.
The pot-holed roads are cluttered with Chinese buses, taking people to markets filled with cheap Chinese goods. More than a thousand miles of new Chinese railroads are crisscrossing the continent, carrying billions of tons of illegally-logged timber, diamonds and gold.
The trains are linked to ports dotted around the coast, waiting to carry the goods back to Beijing after unloading cargoes of cheap toys made in China.
Confucius Institutes (state-funded Chinese 'cultural centres') have sprung up throughout Africa, as far afield as the tiny land-locked countries of Burundi and Rwanda, teaching baffled local people how to do business in Mandarin and Cantonese.
Massive dams are being built, flooding nature reserves. The land is scarred with giant Chinese mines, with 'slave' labourers paid less than £1 a day to extract ore and minerals.
Pristine forests are being destroyed, with China taking up to 70 per cent of all timber from Africa.
All over this great continent, the Chinese presence is swelling into a flood. Angola has its own 'Chinatown', as do great African cities such as Dar es Salaam and Nairobi.
Exclusive, gated compounds, serving only Chinese food, and where no blacks are allowed, are being built all over the continent. 'African cloths' sold in markets on the continent are now almost always imported, bearing the legend: 'Made in China'.
From Nigeria in the north, to Equatorial Guinea, Gabon and Angola in the west, across Chad and Sudan in the east, and south through Zambia, Zimbabwe and Mozambique, China has seized a vice-like grip on a continent which officials have decided is crucial to the superpower's long-term survival.
'The Chinese are all over the place,' says Trevor Ncube, a prominent African businessman with publishing interests around the continent. 'If the British were our masters yesterday, the Chinese have taken their place.'
Likened to one race deciding to adopt a new home on another planet, Beijing has launched its so-called 'One China In Africa' policy because of crippling pressure on its own natural resources in a country where the population has almost trebled from 500 million to 1.3 billion in 50 years.
China is hungry - for land, food and energy. While accounting for a fifth of the world's population, its oil consumption has risen 35-fold in the past decade and Africa is now providing a third of it; imports of steel, copper and aluminium have also shot up, with Beijing devouring 80 per cent of world supplies.
Fuelling its own boom at home, China is also desperate for new markets to sell goods. And Africa, with non-existent health and safety rules to protect against shoddy and dangerous goods, is the perfect destination.
The result of China's demand for raw materials and its sales of products to Africa is that turnover in trade between Africa and China has risen from £5million annually a decade ago to £6billion today.
However, there is a lethal price to pay. There is a sinister aspect to this invasion. Chinese-made war planes roar through the African sky, bombing opponents. Chinese-made assault rifles and grenades are being used to fuel countless murderous civil wars, often over the materials the Chinese are desperate to buy.
Take, for example, Zimbabwe. Recently, a giant container ship from China was due to deliver its cargo of three million rounds of AK-47 ammunition, 3,000 rocket-propelled grenades and 1,500 mortars to President Robert Mugabe's regime.
After an international outcry, the vessel, the An Yue Jiang, was forced to return to China, despite Beijing's insistence that the arms consignment was a 'normal commercial deal'.
Indeed, the 77-ton arms shipment would have been small beer - a fraction of China's help to Mugabe. He already has high-tech, Chinese-built helicopter gunships and fighter jets to use against his people.
Ever since the U.S. and Britain imposed sanctions in 2003, Mugabe has courted the Chinese, offering mining concessions for arms and currency.
While flying regularly to Beijing as a high-ranking guest, the 84-year-old dictator rants at 'small dots' such as Britain and America.
He can afford to. Mugabe is orchestrating his campaign of terror from a 25-bedroom, pagoda-style mansion built by the Chinese. Much of his estimated £1billion fortune is believed to have been siphoned off from Chinese 'loans'.
The imposing grey building of ZANU-PF, his ruling party, was paid for and built by the Chinese. Mugabe received £200 million last year alone from China, enabling him to buy loyalty from the army.
In another disturbing illustration of the warm relations between China and the ageing dictator, a platoon of the China People's Liberation Army has been out on the streets of Mutare, a city near the border with Mozambique, which voted against the president in the recent, disputed election.
Almost 30 years ago, Britain pulled out of Zimbabwe - as it had done already out of the rest of Africa, in the wake of Harold Macmillan's 'wind of change' speech. Today, Mugabe says: 'We have turned East, where the sun rises, and given our backs to the West, where the sun sets.'
Despite Britain's commendable colonial legacy of a network of roads, railways and schools, the British are now being shunned.
According to one veteran diplomat: 'China is easier to do business with because it doesn't care about human rights in Africa - just as it doesn't care about them in its own country. All the Chinese care about is money.'
Nowhere is that more true than Sudan. Branded 'Africa's Killing Fields', the massive oil-rich East African state is in the throes of the genocide and slaughter of hundreds of thousands of black, non-Arab peasants in southern Sudan.
In effect, through its supplies of arms and support, China has been accused of underwriting a humanitarian scandal. The atrocities in Sudan have been described by the U.S. as 'the worst human rights crisis in the world today'.
The government in Khartoum has helped the feared Janjaweed militia to rape, murder and burn to death more than 350,000 people.
The Chinese - who now buy half of all Sudan's oil - have happily provided armoured vehicles, aircraft and millions of bullets and grenades in return for lucrative deals. Indeed, an estimated £1billion of Chinese cash has been spent on weapons.
According to Human Rights First, a leading human rights advocacy organisation, Chinese-made AK-47 assault rifles, grenade launchers and ammunition for rifles and heavy machine guns are continuing to flow into Darfur, which is dotted with giant refugee camps, each containing hundreds of thousands of people.
Between 2003 and 2006, China sold Sudan $55 million worth of small arms, flouting a United Nations weapons embargo.
With new warnings that the cycle of killing is intensifying, an estimated two thirds of the non-Arab population has lost at least one member of their families in Darfur.
Although two million people have been uprooted from their homes in the conflict, China has repeatedly thwarted United Nations denunciations of the Sudanese regime.
While the Sudanese slaughter has attracted worldwide condemnation, prompting Hollywood film-maker Steven Spielberg to quit as artistic director of the Beijing Olympics, few parts of Africa are now untouched by China.
In Congo, more than £2billion has been 'loaned' to the government. In Angola, £3 billion has been paid in exchange for oil. In Nigeria, more than £5billion has been handed over.
In Equatorial Guinea, where the president publicly hung his predecessor from a cage suspended in a theatre before having him shot, Chinese firms are helping the dictator build an entirely new capital, full of gleaming skyscrapers and, of course, Chinese restaurants.
After battling for years against the white colonial powers of Britain, France, Belgium and Germany, post-independence African leaders are happy to do business with China for a straightforward reason: cash.
With western loans linked to an insistence on democratic reforms and the need for 'transparency' in using the money (diplomatic language for rules to ensure dictators do not pocket millions), the Chinese have proved much more relaxed about what their billions are used for.
Certainly, little of it reaches the continent's impoverished 800 million people. Much of it goes straight into the pockets of dictators. In Africa, corruption is a multi-billion pound industry and many experts believe that China is fuelling the cancer.
The Chinese are contemptuous of such criticism. To them, Africa is about pragmatism, not human rights. 'Business is business,' says Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Zhou Wenzhong, adding that Beijing should not interfere in 'internal' affairs. 'We try to separate politics from business.' While the bounty has, not surprisingly, been welcomed by African dictators, the people of Africa are less impressed. At a market in Zimbabwe recently, where Chinese goods were on sale at nearly every stall, one woman told me she would not waste her money on 'Zing-Zong' products.
'They go Zing when they work, and then they quickly go Zong and break,' she said. 'They are a waste of money. But there's nothing else. China is the only country that will do business with us.'
There have also been riots in Zambia, Angola and Congo over the flood of Chinese immigrant workers. The Chinese do not use African labour where possible, saying black Africans are lazy and unskilled.
In Angola, the government has agreed that 70 per cent of tendered public works must go to Chinese firms, most of which do not employ Angolans.
As well as enticing hundreds of thousands to settle in Africa, they have even shipped Chinese prisoners to produce the goods cheaply.
In Kenya, for example, only ten textile factories are still producing, compared with 200 factories five years ago, as China undercuts locals in the production of 'African' souvenirs.
Where will it all end? As far as Beijing is concerned, it will stop only when Africa no longer has any minerals or oil to be extracted from the continent.
A century after Sir Francis Galton outlined his vision for Africa, the Chinese are here to stay. More will come.
The people of this bewitching, beautiful continent, where humankind first emerged from the Great Rift Valley, desperately need progress. The Chinese are not here for that.
They are here for plunder. After centuries of pain and war, Africa deserves better.
Here is a rundown of all the agreements signed so far:-
Ghana, China sign agreements to boost economic cooperation
Ghana confident China to finance $600 million dam
VOA: China, Ghana Boost Trade Agreement
China Egypt Sign Energy Accord
China Gives Egypt $50 Million Loan
A Bidding Frenzy for Angola's Oil.
Chinese PM wraps up Angola agreements
Guardian: China deal gives Zimbabwe £700m boost
Zimbabwe: Govt, China in $1.3 Billion Power Deal
Huge potentials for China-Congo cooperation: communique
Premier Wen visits Republic of Congo to enhance economic ties
China to cap textile exports to S.Africa
14 bilateral agreements signed between SA,China
China Gives Angola Fresh $2bn credit
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Re: Where does Namibia as a country stand? (China) |
Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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US NEGROES ARE CURSED, NOT ONLY WITH INCOMPETENT LEADERS
BUT ALSO WITH HUNGRY ENEMIES
WE NEED MORE LEADERS WHO THINK LIKE NUUYOMA AND MUGABE
the whole world is secretely racist toward us Africans, SECRETELY, but a negro man
pretends like he's accepted, they refuse to be fully patriotic and develop the contintent
what if the Nam govt set aside some billions to start up a company for making cars?
damn the hungry politicians dont even think about that, they're buying farms and shares
instead of owning the companies.............fucck em all
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Re: Where does Namibia as a country stand? (China) |
EPANGELO
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| Tuesday, 29. December 2009 at 22:40 |
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We Africans are living on a time bomb otherwise if our leaders are not vigilant enough from that and many other development in African continent in relation to the Western and Eastern nations especially the so called trade agreement, donation, loans with conditions and so on.
At one point in years to come Chinese will overpower us and take over our land and natural resoureces and we will be their slaves. Those are long term planning by those countries. Honestry the world hate Africa but only like it's resources and African polical leaders are so sleepy that they can't see all these. They keep on allowing Chinese to come in Africa in big numbers and those people never go back, I heard last year in Angola only there are 4 million Chinese and now may be likely to go to 5/6 million and I wonder how many we have here in Namibia.
African population is ever decreasing due to HIV/AIDS, war and hunger while invaders are increasing. This is a second scramble for Africa spear headed by Chinese. We must remember Botha's speech of eliminating Africans, this is a true reflection of modern way of dealing with us. No more hardware like guns, bombos and so on its time for psychological means going through continental leaders to advance their agendas.
And as for Mugabe I will never be on the same page with him, what Mugabe is doing is just changing direction like the way it was presented in tha article, He leave British and turn to Chinese. Those big countries are the reason behind world conflicts. If USA/UK is backing a country its because of disagreement it has with Russia/China. The true reason behind China for Mugabe is because he is no more with the West. and why he was ordering weapons anyway, so to come use it to fellow Africans?? this is how we eliminate ourselves and it justfy Botha's speech there for sure. No matter which direction you aproach it a snake will always be a snake
I am tired now see u later
EPANGELO!!
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EPANGELO
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| Tuesday, 29. December 2009 at 23:28 |
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I like Vladimir Putin:
MOSCOW — Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said on Tuesday that the main obstacle to replacing the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, or START, is Washington’s plan to build a missile defense system, which he said threatens the Cold-War-era balance of power.
“If we don’t develop a missile defense system, a danger arises for us that with an umbrella protecting our partners from offensive weapons, they will feel completely safe,” Mr. Putin told journalists during a working visit to Vladivostok. “The balance will be disrupted and then they will do whatever they want, and aggressiveness will immediately arise both in real politics and economics.”
To restore that balance, he said, Russia must develop new offensive weapons to counter the missile shield. Another solution, he said, would be for the United States to provide Russia with data on its missile defense plans in exchange for data on Russian weapons development.
Mr. Putin’s comments come after negotiators missed the Dec. 5 deadline for replacing START, a key plank in the promised “reset” between the two countries, and suggest that substantial differences remain 11 months after Vice President Joseph R. Biden said it was time for the two countries to “press the reset button.”
While President Obama has favorably impressed Russian leaders, many remain skeptical that he will make a lasting change in Washington’s policies toward Russia, said Dmitri Trenin, the director of the Carnegie Moscow Center.
“I think they would say that Obama is serious, he views the world differently, but the U.S. is a very big ship that cannot change its course dramatically in a few months,” Mr. Trenin said. “The people who see Russia as a problem are still there, and they can be found at the Pentagon. They also say Obama is here for eight years max, and he may not be able to withstand the pressures on him.”
Since the spring, Russian officials have sought to tie successful START talks to changes to the U.S. missile defense plan -- especially proposed sites in Poland and the Czech Republic that Russia viewed as a serious threat. American negotiators have consistently rejected linking negotiations on the two issues.
In September, Obama announced he would scrap the Eastern European elements of the missile defense plan in favor of smaller ship-based interceptors that might later be positioned in Europe. The White House said the decision was a response to changing Iranian capabilities rather than Russian complaints, but in any case, Moscow welcomed the move, with Mr. Putin calling the decision “correct and brave.”
Three months later, most people in the Russian government are convinced that Washington is still advancing quickly toward a missile defense system, “with the goals that have been proclaimed by American politicians, and that is to have the United States protected from any nuclear and rocket threat,” said Sergei A. Markov, a political scientist and deputy with the ruling United Russia party.
“Putin wants to stress exactly that this goal has not been dismissed,” Mr. Markov said.
Mr. Putin’s comments left no doubt that he is playing a pivotal role in negotiations with Washington, a task that technically should fall to his protégé, President Dmitri A. Medvedev. It was less clear whether Mr. Putin’s statement served as a negotiating ploy, aimed at wresting concessions during the talks’ final stage, or whether he was announcing a fundamental shift in the Russian position. From the first, Mr. Markov said, Russians have freighted the START negotiations with importance far beyond their specific subject.
“It’s not just about the START agreement, but about the status of the Russian Federation – whether Russia is a great power or not,” he said. “We have heard a lot from Washington that Russian interests should be limited to Russia’s borders. That means Russia is not recognized as a great power. And that’s why this negotiation is so difficult – because no one knows what Russia’s status is.”
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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I frankly agree with these statement
"If USA/UK is backing a country its because of disagreement it has with Russia/China"
Mugabe might turn to China and Russia for help but we dont understand his mission
which is to economically empower the blacks, mainly the Zimbabweans
I’m watching Pan Africanism dying, African leaders prefer a deal with a westerner
Than with a fellow African country, we’re really divided that’s why we’re falling steadily
Donations are given so that we concede our mines and other lucrative business deals
Patriotic leaders like Nuuyoma are condemned for saying ‘foreigners should respect us
Or else they should pack and go’ SOME Namibians are really brainwashed
Africa need to declare a new war, economical war against the rest of the world
because it seems every trade deal ever signed was not a frank deal but rather another way to rob
Africa of it’s blessing
i really don't think things will change anytime soon, maybe after 2 to 3 decades, by that time
Namibian population will be 50% Chinese
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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Our African leaders dont talk about safety, new technologies or world recognition
they're on a chase for new donations and new cars and a farm
I'm really sick and tired of all these men with big tummies always attacking political parties
rather than attacking the CHINESE AND WESTERNERS
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Emc2
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| Wednesday, 30. December 2009 at 06:46 |
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EPANGELO U are any intelligent star
U just said what am always trying to explain to people esp China-African new COLONIALISM. Yet, our African leaders are really incompetent in their brain to compete with the rest of the world MINDY just like Mind My Business said. Again, i feel pity, on this web some people (young people who suppose to think on their own) let themselves to be brainwashed by Boerseun....and get manipulated. Their fight is against their own brothers and sisters instead outside bandits. We need to co-operate people.
Mind My Business
No matter what they are saying to u on this web, u are an star..... Me myself (after i did my games) i will be back soon.....and i will be tough and bitter esp to STUPID MINDS!
Guess who i'm?
[Post edited by: Emc2 on 30/12/09 6:50 AM]
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Its a good thing that we the youth are not blinded by the westerns and easterns with their huge donations. Lets keep it this way and hopefully find ways to eliminate the chinese.
But apart from that, I so respected us wamboes as one tribe but now, you will see our leaders siding with their ethnic groups particularly that now all the Omusati thing is a true issue going on now. 90 percent of the state affairs executives are Omusatis, northern tenders and loans only issued to people of one region, unless if you are from other regions, you should be the blind one representing those peoples affairs in those places. Sometimes Im even scared to sound kwanyama when am in the north. If we continue to hate each other than we rather start loving our so-called chinese brothers.
I voted for SWAPO but really now am so ****en sidelined, mbela now SWAPO is only for one region despite huge votes from all regions, no wonder the introduction of the communication bill so that we dont complain. All tenders in Uukwanyama, Kambwa, Bars and shares, only one big man.
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DPG
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African leaders are the enemy no 1 of our continent. They keep blaming the Western for their own failure to deliver the continent out of economic slavery and other problems. When are we African going to stop whinning about the western and prove to the world that we can stand on our own?? We Africans can no longer afford to continue blaming other people for our stupidity, laziness and corruption
Even though Namibia is not mentioned in Epangelo's article, our country is not spared by the Chinese invasion There are a lot of examples of how Chinese are slowly looting our economy though the so called soft loans which comes with heavy interest payments. Our leaders should be careful whenever signing the so called bilateral agreements if they are to save our continent for the sake of future generations.
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Black Revolutionary--(MMB)
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Emc2
they can call me what ever but those are all brainwashed people who hates Nuuyoma
who freed their parents from white rapists, you all could have been colored or killed during delivery
im real to my race, black is beautiful baby, fucck equality and reconciliation
revenge is the best way of getting even with the enemy
me im Legendary on this site, since 2006, i know almost all members
i know who is patriotic and who is not, me i love Africa and my dreams are set to high
i dont just think of poverty and AIDS, i think of the day Africa gonna make its own planes
when Africa gonna have its own satellites and all that advanced shit, im just studying
i've deep interest in science, i came up with a project but it failed, yeah im just 22
guess by the age of 40 i'l have alota achievements, strictly for Africa
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Re: Where does Namibia as a country stand? (China) |
EPANGELO
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Welcome Emc2======= I remember this technical formula man of ur name man
If we just plant such belives in the mind of our young African citizens, we will for sure get somewhere. This generation of liberation struggle have no idear about this but anyway we cant blame them too much. Its us the young one that face such psychological war and we have to be smart enough, vigilant day and night to win it.
Mats007
on your point on SWAPO's behaviour on equal distribution of the country's resourecs, it's a matter of time SWAPO is likely travelling on a decay road if it continue like that and I hope the current election challenge wont bear a re-run, if so then ngaye kandishiwo!!
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THE MIGHTY CARETA
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| Thursday, 14. January 2010 at 09:39 |
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this u did not see pre election now u feel the brunt thereof you lay your bed so sleep in it you called us puppets and coloborators now you feel hard pressed for you see what u did hehehehehehehe
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Opportunist
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| Friday, 15. January 2010 at 13:26 |
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careta,
*Hummmm, yeah? Relying on fallacies is like a bird trying to fly using one wing only: which makes no sense. Swapo Party activists were complaining about too much secrecy surrounding the court case; they are now complaining about too much publicity given to the court case. That means: no matter what we do or don't do Swapo Party will still complain (Okanona taka kwenene yomuyenda!).
*Look at poor Kaapanda! Was that really his statement or it was forced upon him as the Madam warned those who only pay their membership may loose their jobs-for comrades' posts? It's like history is repeatin itself. Germany employed propagandist Goebbles but was defeated; Iraq employed propagandist Comical Ali but was defeated; Swapo is employing Comical Kaapanda but will be defeated.
* Why don't these people admit their mistakes (rigging) and find a solution than waiting for the law to take its cause? Do they know there is a law called political corruption in this country? Hahahahaha...
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The Analyst
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Opportunist: I am interested to engage you on fallacies. RDP announced that they had 390 000 members as per their database. CoD and APP eventually complained that RDP included their members in that database. In your opinion, was RDP pursuing fallacy or not? RDP also claimed that they had many members in Government Ministries/Agencies/Offices including the State House. In your opinion, was RDP pursuing fallacy or not? If you speak of political corruption, does this apply only to SWAPO or also to RDP if so, what happened to N$100 million dollars of ODC or is that also the doing of the poor Kapia? If I recall about SSC N$30 million dissappearance Mr. Frans Kapofi was Chairman of Board of Trustees of SSC and Minister Maureen Mungunda was Minister of Labour, and all the N$30 million have been traced as having gone through local banks and how it was spent: do you not agree that local banks need to be held accountable on the dissappearance of our money at SSC. What I know is that if you are in Oshakati and you need to withdraw say N$10,000 or so clearance is sought from Windhoek, how did it happen that Nico Josua and late Kandara were able to withdraw millions of dollars cash without any eyebrows raised.
The Analyst
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Re: Where does Namibia as a country stand? (China) |
Dinno
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Careta,
Even tho i complained abt some wrong doings in Swapo, i wl always support it. I jus want those who are ignorant to work much better.
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THE MIGHTY CARETA
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| Monday, 18. January 2010 at 09:25 |
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hahaha RIGHT Mats007 we believe you
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Opportunist
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| Monday, 18. January 2010 at 11:04 |
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The Analyst,
I allow me to respond to your queries as an an observer and an independent thinker. "RDP announced that they had 390 000 members as per their database". "Was RDP pursuing fallacy or not?"
I don't think so, since there no proof to that, only prapaganda, and RDP has not said so. Consider that the game of politics is about persuation. You don't force people to join your Party or to stay, you convince them. They can choose to go if they like. But, it cannot be to that magical margin like as is now; Swapo Party alarmists claim that only "90 000 were real RDP members" and voted for it while "300 000 were (Swapo Party) hibrnators" in RDP. But, why did Swapo Party got less votes than in 2004 and loose one seat?
For RDP to say it has many members in Government, look at this message being circulated, "Swapo has already compiled the list of the so-called "hibernators" in Swapo. The list goes like this; Tuliameni Kalomhoh, Ndali Kamati, Kaire Mbuende, Frans Kapofi, Hadino Hishongwa, Sebastian Ndeitunga, Ndahangwapo Kashihakumwa, Helmut Angula, Netumbo Ndeitwah, Peter Katjavivi and Veiccoh Nghiwete.Those people a seen as obstacles in the way. Pendukeni said they have to be removed without Pohamba's approval". These are peolpe who are not part of the 390 000 database being, still, suspected of having voted for RDP. Where are their votes then?
When the N$100 million of ODC money was stollen, someone was in charge.That is Swapo Party Government under Nujoma-they have the Police, Ombudsman, etc.,and they let the money to disappear? Whom do you suspect ate the money? HH was hauled under the Presidential Commission of Iquiry and no results because the person who initiated the Commission has his name implicated, apparently.
You are right about the "clearance". Tell me: if you are a manager of Bank of Namibia and a Head of State called you personally that N$100 million needs to be cleared in the public interest, will you agree or disagree? That could be the only possible logic behind the missing N$30m, N$100m, N$120m,N$25m, N$3,5m etc.
I personally don't blame Kapia as having eaten the millions but because he was a useful, political idiot-just like //Gowaseb at NBC and Ndjarakana at ECN. After having been used, abused and misused to carry out the evil deeds for which they were paid, amused and fed by their handler, many "barking dogs" now find themselveson the to the dump site as garbage or, say, 'good-for-nothings'. If anything, they would be given a new role to play; of biting other "noisy dogs". What a shameful legacy to leave behind? If we choose to sell our principles and become surrogates of others, may God help us to discover our true worth!
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| Tuesday, 19. January 2010 at 01:02 |
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In the so called list of hibernators most of those names are Kwanyama speaking Namibians, they are trying their best to push away those people, we read about threats to some of those senior police officers last year being linked to politics and so on, look at Netumbo and Helmut on the swapo pariamental list, its a pre-determined congress. the most tribal and even getting to be a regional party is swapo in this country, the party is even getting foreign fundind, why did they accept campaign materials from abroad but then dont want opposition to get assistance from sister party outside. Who is fooling who? Swapo want others to be poor while them get richer and richer so to manipulate the poors. It's a matter of time we as Namibians are travelling on a risk road at a dangerouse speed coz swapo choose to victimise others, they did then bore RDP now still continuoing check out the result. The sleep one will be awake soon and start smelling that mesh.
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| Tuesday, 19. January 2010 at 08:54 |
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Epangelo,
It is an internal crisis or a revolution these guys are facing. It is beyond logic that they choose to attack even the think tank members of their own. Look at Okahandja's Katamila crisis. Apparently he is being used by RDP. The Police, judges etc are all seen to be used by RDP. The only person who is not being used by RDP is likely to be Sam Nujoma, as per Ngurare's PhD philosophy.
Why don't they then surrender themselves to RDP if they are confirming that it is evrywhere?
Iyaa, oya lombwelwa nale ndele inaya hala okulandula. Oshimpako sha mpakukila omuhangi, taleni nee sho tamu ningi paife!!!!
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| Tuesday, 19. January 2010 at 12:21 |
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China is the husbad, Namibia is wifey
Are we not just married to China?
There's no politics in Africa, there's war. Nuuyoma, Nyamu and Ulenga can never
be pictured together raising funds for the needy like how Obama, Bush and Clinton
met to discus the Haiti tragedy, it shows that in Africa having a different oppinion
makes one an enemy, i can not say SWAPO hate others, oppositions also hate SWAPO
they all hate each other politically and personally
Opportunist
hmmmm, saying people are surrendering to RDP, those are just minority
SWAPO got that 2-3rd majority, after elections Namibian oppositions begin to die
i guess if we could do an election after 2 years RDP will only have 75% of what it
had in November 2009 elections
M-MY-B. PATRIOTIC, from the womb to the tomb
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| Wednesday, 20. January 2010 at 09:06 |
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M-My-B (I hope not Patriotically Stubborn!),
I can also argue that there exists a marriage of convenience but I am afraid to say it is between Namibia and China than with Swapo Party's godfather and China.
On the hatred: if you find a 10 years old child having an issue with a 20 year old child, do you say they hate each other? Who should have the capacity to keep a cool head? The older person, of course! Swapo should just grow up. Look at their so-called national events on national days. Does Swapo give tasks to the opposition leaders to address the public? No. Why? Who hates who then? If they so hate each other, why do they not only staying in Winhoek but their houses are adjacent to each other?
I am just trying to help Swapo to overcome its hallucination. Minority? And the majority are just crying everytime? Hahahahahahaha!!!!
Some people have just declared Swapo a religion to them and they will never recover from that state of denial.
Do you recall that some contributors to this platform were saying; some of us will never participate on this post after elections? But it seems the elections scandals are haunting them to death. I always said: whether Swapo won (or rigged) the elections for me life goes on sa usual.
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| Wednesday, 20. January 2010 at 09:28 |
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Opportunist
Swapo leaders will never give leaders of opposition parties opportunities to address the public at their so-called national events, simply because they do not want Namibian people to hear and know the truth, in my opinion all MPs are national leaders, since they form part of the legislative organ of the government, however, you may find a SWAPO lawmakers given tasks to perform at national events and not MPs from other parties, not even the leader of the official opposition party. this must come to an end before we start talking about democracy in this country,
what i see in Namibia now is demo-crazy, whereby SWAPO interests comes first before the interests of the Nation!,
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Radical Uncle Sem,
That is a 1 million pound argument. In simple term they don't want the true heroes and heroines to be discovered. If you speak, then, people will know who you are. But wait! They all claim to admire Venaani's contributions in Parliament but rest assured that Swapo Government will never assign him to address any community in the name of GRN. The reason being: he will be recognized by the masses and they will vote for him, by implication, DTA. Maybe to speak at some funerals, yes.
It is all about selfishness, greediness, arrogance and self-praising.
An example: Ngurare, a.k.a the Mbwela Boy, was on NBC-TV calling for Okahandja youth to volunteer in the campaining for his Party. Aparently they must be "foot soldiers" and go even make tents in farms. Hahahahahah. Ignorance is a dangerous disease. During the 2009 elections campaign, he was quoted in the north questioning the logic of RDP having "foot soldiers" going into people's houses (House-to-house/Shebeen-to-shebeen campaign). Now, does he want to eat what he threw up a while ago?
That is the hypocrcy of Swapo Party and its Government. They now see opposition parties, especially RDP, behind every bush in their yard.
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aaag, am getting tired of Ngurare's politics, the guy is a PhD holder but he do not make any sense, he think Swapo belongs to him and everybody in Swapo who does not dance to his tune is a hirbenator, hahahaha,
e.g. if he say dance , you have to, even when there is no music playing , otherwise you will be regarded as a hirbenator!!!
hahaha, Swapo okwa expire
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Hahahahaha...Radical Uncle Sem,
If Swapo Party was a tin of fish, it will be thrown away? Hahahah..
I was was also doing my research around and I bumped upon a funny article-written by Steven Mvula.Here it goes:
"The Risk of Remaining Patriotically Stubborn to Political Fallacies
Dear Compatriots,
SWAPO Party has been exposed as a massive scam. A fraudulent project meant to enrich a small clique by pretending to be a democracy-promoting, peace-loving political party.
Its Members of Parliament (MPs) make laws that guarantee human rights, but hate those that promote human rights.
They make laws that guarantee freedom of movement, but are all too satisfied to see the trampling of those freedoms.
They make laws that guarantee freedom of association, but, deep in their hearts, they believe that Namibians are so stupid that they will never be interested in “freedom of association” unless incited by imperialists.
They promise free and fair elections – as long as they don’t bring about change.
They make laws that allow anyone to challenge election results in court, but they go politically berserk the moment someone does just that.
They fought for a “classless society”, but have now divided Namibians in three classes: first, a class for the rulers; second, a class for the defenders of the rulers, and third, a class for all other Namibians. One of the defenders of the rulers is a nameless “Patriot”, who wrote an article and published it in the SWAPO Party media last year. He/she was not courageous enough to give him/herself a name (in case his/her parents neglected their duty!), yet shamelessly complains about people using pseudonyms. That reveals a typical SWAPO Party mentality.
He/she was apparently responding to “the Steve Mvula’s Hallucinations” … but wait: if he/she was really looking for someone suffering from hallucinations, why did he/she not simply stand in front of a mirror?
She/he said: “For the record, Namibia does not have a genuine National Society for Human Rights (NSHR).”
My rebuttal: Why and who is to be blamed for that omission? Why not be patriotic enough and found a genuine National Society for Human Rights (at least with a different name!) instead of going around accusing those Namibians who tried their level best to do something?
She/he said: “The current NSHR is an organisation which changed form from Parents Committee which opposed the liberation struggle to an NSHR used by those who supported the Apartheid colonialism.”
My rebuttal: Hohoh! Is changing form a bad thing to do? Come on! Admit that SWAPO has done bad things by first changing its form from OPO/OPC, then from SWAPO of Namibia to SWAPO Party.
Secondly, the fact that you don’t mention names of those who supposedly “supported Apartheid colonialism” is evidence of your lack of evidence. In other words, you are hallucinating!
She/he said: “Those who funded Apartheid are well known namely the US Government, British, German and …”
My rebuttal: Oh shame! Those are the same countries that are currently funding “SWAPO Government” projects like roads, hospitals etc. I remember vividly “SWAPO Government” ministers’ broad smiles during the signing ceremony of the (Imperialistic) Millenium Challenge Account … when is imperialist money good and when is imperialist money bad? And who decides?
She/he said: “… of late such funds are channeled through well known Scandinavian countries such as Sweden whose Ambassador declared publicly having channeled N$4 million to NSHR.”
My rebuttal: So what? Pakistanis also declared publicly of having channeled N$2, 5 million to the recent SWAPO Party campaign. Is foreign money bad in principle or only bad if not stuffing SWAPO Party’s deep pockets?
She/he said: “We know this NSHR is thus a political leg of Forum For the Future, CoD and RDP more so in the latter.”
My rebuttal: And the poor fiction writer does not even know that the NSHR existed before the Forum for the Future, before the CoD and before the RDP. Can a branch exist before its mother body (the tree)? It is possible only in the fantasy world where “A Patriot” lives, but impossible in the real world where we live.
She/he said: “It is understood that the latter had promised Phil ya Nangoloh and his figurative political concubines such as Steven Mvula and Ananias Aipinge lucrative positions in an "RDP Government. In exchange they must do all in their power to defend RDP and its leaders. This was what Steven Mvula, the coward, was attempting to do."
My rebuttal: Double standards again: (and here I am using his/her own logic) it is good when the SWAPO Party promises “jobs for loyal comrades”, but it is bad when other parties do the same. But the fiction writer – in a typical SWAPO Party fashion – does not quote any sources of his/her information. Why? Because the promise of lucrative positions is merely a rotten fruit of the fiction writer’s mind.
She/he said: “By the way, why are there no pictures of these programme robots on the NSHR website, why are they hiding, are they so ugly that even cameras cannot take their pictures?”
My rebuttal: But they, unlike the fiction writer, at least have real names, while the fiction writer has neither a name nor a face … oh yeah! Like the more than 30 000 ghosts that voted in the past elections.
She/he said: “At an RDP rally in Oshakati recently, Hidipo Hamutenya spoke disparagingly against the Namibian Founding President, H.E. Dr. Sam Nujoma referring to him as "SWAPO chief". Dr. Sam Nujoma was well respected in Namibia and second only to Jesus Christ.”
My rebuttal: That goes beyond the blasphemous. Yet you have the audacity of talking about hallucinations? The next logical step is to forcibly remove the Holy Spirit and to declare Sam Nujoma the third person of the Holy Trinity …. in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Founding Father – Amen!
She/he said: “As such Steven Mvula being an ideologically bankrupt former teacher expelled for impregnating school girls, echoes Hidipo Hamunteya by referring to an "unelected ruling Swapo Party extremists under Dr. Nujoma's tutelage".
My rebuttal: Firstly, excellent, for spelling my first name correct on this score!
Secondly, let me give you, “Patriot”, a Swahili proverb: “I pointed out to you the stars and all you saw was the tip of my finger”.
And, thirdly, repeating a long discredited lie won’t make it a truth. You will never be able to produce the names of the girls, their ages, the names and ages of their supposedly Steven-fathered children … you are hallucinating again.
She/he said: “SWAPO Party is the most democratic political formation in the country; it holds regular conferences and congresses where its leaders are elected.”
My rebuttal: And after they are elected they are replaced with unelected elements by the power that be. A strange democracy indeed!
She/he said: “Thus it is a regurgitation of lies for Steven Mvula to refer to "SWAPO's unelected extremists".
My rebuttal: Okay. Tell me who elected the current SWAPO Party town councilors of Ongwediva? Were the elected councilors not replaced with a clique of unelected extremists? Please! Be honest to yourself and to this Brave Nation.
She/he said: “The question that must be asked to Phil yaNangoloh and his political concubines is this: …”
My rebuttal: And who determines “the question that must be asked”? Why you and not me?
She/he said: “… who elected Phil ya Nangoloh and his Steven Mvula and Ananias Aipinge to take Dr. Nujoma to the ICC …”
My rebuttal: No election is needed for a citizen to exercise his/her democratic rights. Even you are free to take any legal action against anybody, any time. Your above statement goes to show the danger of entering the “political house” while blind-folded: you find yourself inside the house but don’t know where the front door is.
She/he said: “… who elected them to go on grave digging spree and bone collection in Angola and also in the Kavango …”
My rebuttal: Like I said, no elections are needed for a citizen to exercise his/her rights … but we can at least understand the reason of your panic:
a) the bones were found;
b) “someone” must have ordered the killings.
So, your well grounded fear is that that “someone” may turn out to be someone very dear to you. But those killed were also very dear to their families and friends, with a guaranteed right to life.
Brother or sister, if a baby is dumped and is found, you don’t blame the one who found the dumped baby but the one who dumped the baby. In a likely manner, if people are killed and someone finds their bones, you need not blame the one who found the bones but the one who ordered the killings.
She/he said: “… who elected them to write vitriolic and defamatory articles against Dr. Nujoma and SWAPO leaders …”
My rebuttal: Well, whoever feels he/she was defamed has the right to approach a competent court of law instead of physically attacking the author of the alleged defamatory articles (like what happened to journalist John Grobler).
In the meantime, we eagerly wait to see if “A Patriot” is patriotic enough to condemn that criminal act.
She/he said: “… who elected them to cowardly write articles anonymously as Nakadungas, Gaes, Shekupe, Shapopi, Einos and others, …”
My rebuttal: Okay, I give up. Now tell me who elected you to write an article anonymously as “A Patriot”. Where and when were the election held? Under whose supervision? Who were the other candidates? What was the margin of your victory?
Ah, I see! You were not elected to write that drivel, yet you unreasonably demand that other writers be elected before they can put pen to paper. Typical SWAPO Party double standard!
She/he said: “… what a shame that the Western powers and their imperialist agenda are so stupid to waste their tax payers money by bankrolling these clowns at NSHR.”
My rebuttal: Yet they are not stupid enough when using “their taxpayers’ money” to bankroll “SWAPO Government” projects like roads, hospitals, clinics, pipelines and when they provide AIDS drugs. Oh yes, here they are considered “smart” because the SWAPO Party gets the credit. Hahahaha!
She/he said: “I used to think that America, German and Britain were led by smart people apparently it was a mistake to think so because they are only able to fund chaos instead of peace in Namibia.”
My rebuttal: Funding ARV drugs is tantamount to funding chaos, you say? Or does the funding cause chaos only when going to projects meant to promote human rights? Nobody with a clear conscience will ever say “yes” to those questions.
She/he said: “There are so many better organisations such as Shack Dwellers Federation of Namibia …”
My rebuttal: … and that is a universal shame when, after 20 years of SWAPO Party rule, we still have people dwelling is shacks. What happened to Sam Nujoma’s solemn declaration in 1989 that there would be no “poor Namibian under a SWAPO Government”?
She/he said: “… but instead donor money is wasted on RDP members at NSHR. It is a pity and shame to America, German, Britain and Sweden for wasting your resources this way.”
My rebuttal: That is the clearest example of SWAPO’s absolute power having given birth to absolute arrogance, so much so that even an unknown “A Patriot” feels free to tell the Americans, the Germans, the Britons and the Swedish how to use or not to use their money, and who to be and not to be their friends.
She/he said: “After all, the victory of SWAPO in the upcoming elections is guaranteed because the Namibian people are SWAPO and SWAPO is the Namibian people.”
My rebuttal: Yeah, so much so that even the dead are placed on the voters’ roll and dragged out of their graves as ghost voters. But then, why waste time and money in elections if Namibians are 100 percent SWAPO? What about the over 100 000 Namibians who did not vote SWAPO Party? Do you consider them “Namibian people” or have they become mere animals? A tough question, yes.
She/he said: “Imperialists must just accept this fact that Namibia will never again be a colony.”
My rebuttal: Hallelujah! Namibia will never again be a colony. But the reason you are making that statement is well known. You are trying to imply that any “regime change” would be tantamount to Namibia becoming a colony again. That is a naked fallacy: after “regime change”, Zambia did not become a colony; after “regime change”, Senegal did not become a colony. Isn’t it?
This whole “Namibia will never again be a colony” thing is a distraction by the defenders of the rulers, who have become allergic to change. They are so deep in corruption that they know that any change would, of necessity, lead to some high profile prosecutions.
She/he said: “Phil yaNangolo and his programme robots are a social reject, they cannot even walk freely in the streets in fact they have become psychologically disturbed and suspecting even their shadows.
My rebuttal: Partly true. Journalist John Grobler thought he was free in an independent Namibia, but he was proven wrong when he was brutalized in public. So, I agree with you that Namibia is unfortunately free for some people, not for all. But are you sure that was what the liberation struggle was about … to liberate only some people while making others afraid to move around?
She/he said: The only thing they have left is talking and writing nonsense, as if the bones of the dead is haunting them daily. Ja, why dig bones of the dead in the first place, God hammer the heads of PUPPETS!
My rebuttal: “Li lengithwa kali sa.” In September 1979, while the MPLA was spreading rumors about Savimbi’s death, Agostinho Neto died instead. So, be careful: “You shall not take the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished him who takes his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7). God’s hammer may strike where you least expect it to strike.
Steven Mvula
*This article is written in his personal capacity, on January 19, 2010.
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